tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1405576651020920367.post4858278394582567377..comments2024-03-09T05:53:46.954-08:00Comments on Bernard's Blog: Honda Balance Shaft Seal Pop OutBernardLhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09722619048888613647noreply@blogger.comBlogger180125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1405576651020920367.post-33767470241439703942021-07-13T21:32:13.484-07:002021-07-13T21:32:13.484-07:00Nice blog. Here we are at American Seal & Pack...Nice blog. Here we are at American Seal & Packing with great quality <b><a href="https://www.aspseal.com/shaft-seals.html" rel="nofollow">Shaft Seals</a></b>. Our Shaft Seals are strong and come with guarantee. Visit us for best deals and discounts on Shaft Seals.American Seal & Packing, Inc.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10487023555705014613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1405576651020920367.post-43828077768600870172019-08-25T23:43:16.091-07:002019-08-25T23:43:16.091-07:00when you unscrew the oil pump bolt to install the ...when you unscrew the oil pump bolt to install the retainer, doesn't it break the seal and start a leak?eranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06141330642293033683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1405576651020920367.post-56250109650896097262018-02-24T20:42:48.891-08:002018-02-24T20:42:48.891-08:00Sorry I wasn't very clear, but I was only wond...Sorry I wasn't very clear, but I was only wondering about claims with Honda or dealerships related to fixing the oil seal. But that's about as far fetched I suppose.<br /><br />We did do some more poking around today. Nothing seemed obviously loose. And the belts don't appear really bad (likely why shop #1 didn't notice, when focused on other things). So at this point we are in the process of deciding (including a second opinion) whether to put more into it. Thank you for the input, and happy weekend.<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18165844825097185270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1405576651020920367.post-89040854295552006152018-02-23T05:59:00.285-08:002018-02-23T05:59:00.285-08:00The rack and pinion unit suddenly making noise aft...The rack and pinion unit suddenly making noise after a botched timing belt job, where they didn't install the seal retainer, seems unlikely. You may be able to take them to small claims court but you need to make a case. Chances are, you will lose, not to mention days lost doing it. Some common sense advice - check your tires and tire pressures, use a flashlight and check the serpentine belt yourself (I'm sure you can tell if it is covered with those wear cracks on the surface), use good gas (example Chevron Supreme or Unocal Super), check your own inner wheel well plastic covers and bottom cover for looseness. If the covers are loose and can be rattled around by you tapping your hand against them, they can certainly cause a flapping noise. Only you can determine when to get another car and bail out on the one you have. I would hold off on doing unrelated $1500 fixes for sure.BernardLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09722619048888613647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1405576651020920367.post-67492013219680756222018-02-22T14:31:50.847-08:002018-02-22T14:31:50.847-08:00Correction: "Outer tie rods". :-)Correction: "Outer tie rods". :-)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18165844825097185270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1405576651020920367.post-13920567209125769342018-02-22T14:23:44.711-08:002018-02-22T14:23:44.711-08:00After some delay, the car got another look. They s...After some delay, the car got another look. They said they couldn't figure out the flapping noise and underfloor vibration at first. Now suggest "replacing the steering rack along with inner tie rods" @ ~$1200, and cracked serpentine belts (something the first shop missed) and power steering flush for another $300.<br /><br />Maybe just coincidence that it was right after removing &, shaking the PCV and popping it back in, but the idle seemed to improve a bit (still some flutter when cold), and it was shifting better.<br /><br />Valve adjustment may follow, but all this stuff adding up on top of the cost of the seal fix etc. is raising questions over getting another car instead of spending more repair $. That throws into question the compression test if power stays "normal" and idle is mostly acceptable. I'll post back otherwise.<br /><br />BTW, has anyone you're aware of made a claim for reimbursement related to this apparent neglect? Thanks again.<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18165844825097185270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1405576651020920367.post-9768865962849053792018-02-15T13:25:37.829-08:002018-02-15T13:25:37.829-08:00You're right, Andy. Dealers did leave the reta...You're right, Andy. Dealers did leave the retainers off on ones like this 2001 Accord, because they weren't covered in the tech bulletin. Once the retainer is in place, the seal cannot pop out. It's very possible you have some valve problems. I would recommend a valve adjustment and compression check after the adjustment. The flapping sound could be the inner fender and bottom covers that are removed and put back in place after a timing belt job. I assume you had it redone with a retainer. I can't give you any advice on the transmission other than making the engine run right first and see how it shifts then.BernardLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09722619048888613647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1405576651020920367.post-83809458100750973152018-02-15T12:14:02.105-08:002018-02-15T12:14:02.105-08:00I wonder how often even the dealerships didn't...I wonder how often even the dealerships didn't install the new plate. We had timing and balance shaft belts replaced around 100K miles, and experienced a massive leak from the seal popping out. I'm not sure yet whether the retainer was missing, poorly installed, or somehow compromised. Don't these plates pretty much guarantee that the seal won't catastrophically come out, assuming they were installed properly?<br /><br />The car ended up being driven with most of the oil lost, and it seemed to beat the odds by having no obvious damage. Now, though, the idle isn't quite right/hunting a little, and the transmission doesn't seem to shift as fast/smoothly at times (maybe ECU/PCM)? Also some valve train noise, and (maybe unrelated to the leak) there's a flapping sound when going over bumps (which seem more pronounced). Any thoughts? Thanks.<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18165844825097185270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1405576651020920367.post-35163751528031399032017-05-21T13:01:52.294-07:002017-05-21T13:01:52.294-07:00pecosbk. Take it back to whomever did the timing b...pecosbk. Take it back to whomever did the timing belt job, show them what's wrong. If the timing and balance shaft belts are coated in oil, they'll have to be done again. The balance shaft seal can be popped into place again and a balance shaft seal retainer kit from the dealer must be added to make sure it doesn't happen again. It is not a job for an amateur. The seal must not be put back in crooked. If it needs to be replaced, everything must come off as the picture in my post shows. At least look at the pictures I have posted. Taking them with you may be a help.BernardLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09722619048888613647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1405576651020920367.post-75770799187118126182017-05-21T11:08:32.031-07:002017-05-21T11:08:32.031-07:00Sorry I didn't have time to read this entire t...Sorry I didn't have time to read this entire thread but I have a 87 accord, timing belt done last year but now oil leak coming from timing cover.<br />Possible to pop the lower cover off and replace seals only? How many seals? VERY LITTLE room to work there!pecosbkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00104453468734595893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1405576651020920367.post-79539354374534119642016-11-06T04:57:20.662-08:002016-11-06T04:57:20.662-08:00Adrian, you need to go to a Honda dealer with your...Adrian, you need to go to a Honda dealer with your VIN number and order the parts. I'm sorry, but I don't know the numbers.BernardLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09722619048888613647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1405576651020920367.post-60488452030136509992016-04-02T13:46:00.209-07:002016-04-02T13:46:00.209-07:00Troy, if you've never done one of these, do no...Troy, if you've never done one of these, do not guess. You must have specific OEM manual and follow the directions religiously. Another thing to keep in mind, I have never done one that I didn't have to heat the crankshaft bolt until it was cherry red to break it free - not a task for a beginner. <br /><br />Here are directions for a 1994, which are nearly identical.<br /><br />https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?cid=0FFD20F2CADA43E7&resid=FFD20F2CADA43E7!207&canary=YSNtREC9Sf%2BgrIJKKqT5l3DVvsQxtSgKNTgolboLp2c%3D2&ithint=.pdf&open=true&app=WordPdfBernardLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09722619048888613647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1405576651020920367.post-42900396712334092882016-04-02T12:48:23.228-07:002016-04-02T12:48:23.228-07:00Is it inportant 2 aline timing marks on balance sh...Is it inportant 2 aline timing marks on balance shaft on 97 honda accord 4cyl vtec engine Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14628895339483573749noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1405576651020920367.post-65049639055902867852015-08-20T06:56:29.939-07:002015-08-20T06:56:29.939-07:00I am willing to put money into the car since I thi...I am willing to put money into the car since I think it will last beyond 200k miles, however, I just didn't want to spend the extra $300 on replacing the strut/spring assembly on all four axles (I was told to always replace sruts in pairs) if I didn't have to.<br /><br />Is it common for worn struts/springs to cause camber misalignment problems? While driving the car, it doesn't seem to have any problems going over bumps. I inspected the struts and they seem like they are in good shape (with the exception of the front struts that had a little grease around them). However, at the same time, the struts have never been changed and have 182k miles on them.<br /><br />Respectfully,peja95https://www.blogger.com/profile/01518228720233667979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1405576651020920367.post-30413350436541930922015-08-20T05:58:48.287-07:002015-08-20T05:58:48.287-07:00Peja, if you really plan on putting money into you...Peja, if you really plan on putting money into your 93 Accord, do the struts and bushings, rotate good tires to front, and don't do anything else until you see how the tires wear then. I believe the new struts and bushings will put it back into alignment.BernardLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09722619048888613647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1405576651020920367.post-26859880113075328412015-08-19T22:09:28.538-07:002015-08-19T22:09:28.538-07:00Hi Bernard,
I have a 93 accord with 182k miles on...Hi Bernard,<br /><br />I have a 93 accord with 182k miles on it. The inside tread of my tires on both the passenger and driver side are wearing out more than the rest of my tire. I took it to an alignment shop and they told me that the camber on the FR and RL axles are out of spec (-1.1 degrees, with -1 degrees being the max.) They told me that I must get adjustable upper ball joints for these axles to correct the problem.<br /><br />I inspected the front and rear end of the car and noticed that the sway bar and control arm bushings (for both the front and rear) are in bad shape. I also noticed a small amount of grease around the front struts (however the car drives smooth with no noticeable strut problems during steering and going over bumps).<br /><br />I took it to the dealer (for a second opinion) and they said the struts were okay and that although the bushings are in bad shape, they said that it would not affect the alignment of the car.<br /><br />So I know I have to buy adjustable upper ball joints to correct the camber on the FR and RL axles of the car, however, do you think it would be a good idea to replace the bad bushings and the struts/spring assembly (since they have never been replaced) before I take it back to the alignment shop? Or do you think it would be a waste of money to replace the bushings and especially the strut/spring assembly since they cost a lot more?<br /><br />Respectfully,peja95https://www.blogger.com/profile/01518228720233667979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1405576651020920367.post-71419326540075350172015-01-06T05:59:48.427-08:002015-01-06T05:59:48.427-08:00I write violent pulp fiction with humor, Dustin. H...I write violent pulp fiction with humor, Dustin. Here's my Amazon Author's page with a listing of all 24 of my novels. My advice is to read the reviews and the 'Look Inside' preview on any that catch your interest. As a writer, I'm sure you'll be able to tell if any of them would be entertaining for you. Thanks for your interest.<br /><br />http://www.amazon.com/Bernard-Lee-DeLeo/e/B005UNXZ04 BernardLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09722619048888613647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1405576651020920367.post-10993447759034144362015-01-05T22:14:06.012-08:002015-01-05T22:14:06.012-08:00Thank you once again Bernard, and I will keep you ...Thank you once again Bernard, and I will keep you posted on the fate of my little dilemma. I appreciate you taking your time and effort to help me, and I will be supporting you by getting a few books you've written that look pretty good. I'm an author myself (not published) and read alot. Who is your books styled after if you can give an example? I read alot of different authors from Stephen King to Og Mandino, Louise L'Amour to Terry Goodkind. I assume and correct me if I'm wrong, but at first glance they kinda sound like Stuart Woods a little or James Patterson maybe? Anyway, let me know what ones to start with;-) <br /><br /><br /> Gratefully, DustinAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10666851881353685973noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1405576651020920367.post-63958402818306091442015-01-02T13:55:50.075-08:002015-01-02T13:55:50.075-08:00I've been working forty years in the trade giv...I've been working forty years in the trade giving people news they don't want to hear, Dustin. Unfortunately, I can't change reality. Good luck. I hope it works well after you get it fixed.BernardLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09722619048888613647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1405576651020920367.post-92047375436281338092015-01-02T12:25:04.889-08:002015-01-02T12:25:04.889-08:00Benard,
I'm just curious, are you green? ...Benard,<br /><br /> I'm just curious, are you green? Now who's the Grinch! Lol Happy 2015 to me! Thanks man, I'll take that advice since it's not quite a scrapper yet;-)<br /><br /> Screwed in Putah,<br /><br /> Dustin Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10666851881353685973noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1405576651020920367.post-52843914671919001882015-01-01T16:59:04.756-08:002015-01-01T16:59:04.756-08:00Dustin. I'll keep this straight forward.
1. ...Dustin. I'll keep this straight forward. <br /><br />1. To even see how the Honda will be, you will need to fix it as described in the original post here. The reason you lost all the oil so suddenly is just like the picture in this post. The seal popped out No, you will not know the extent of the damage until it is fixed.<br /><br />2. No, you cannot drive it. Have it towed, but don't tow it until you have saved the money to fix it, which could be anywhere from $900 to $1500, or more if they discover something else wrong during tear down.<br /><br />3. It does not matter where you live or your financial woes, you will not be able to drive the car until you can pay to fix it, or scrap it. That decision must be yours alone. There are no other ideas. There is only reality. You'll have to save enough money to fix it properly.<br /><br />I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but there are no patches for this once you've had oil thrown all over the inside of the timing belt area from a popped balance shaft seal. BernardLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09722619048888613647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1405576651020920367.post-24807366748526597892015-01-01T13:01:11.580-08:002015-01-01T13:01:11.580-08:00Bernard,
I haven't been able to make it ...Bernard,<br /><br /> I haven't been able to make it to the shop yet cause the Holidays around here crazy! This being a Mormon state, everything shuts down on Sunday and every place that's close I've called is closed so I'll be waiting till tomorrow to take it somewhere. My previous comments somehow got erased so I'll update again. This frozen winter wonderland has also made the roads pretty bad as well, and definitely don't wanna get stuck while this issue ensues. The last thing I need is having to replace a motor out of me missing my 21st chromosome and doing something stupid. So with that being said here are my questions.<br /> <br /> First off, I only limped my car home about a mile and a half. I tried very hard not to let the RPMs get up to 2000 and no there was no overheating or even a change in the temperature. That goes for changing the hose as well, and neither time did it even have much of a temp change and I watched it closely. Neither the timing belt or balancing shaft seal have been replaced, and I honestly don't know when the last time it was. The fact it all of a sudden has sprung this geyser of oil outta the timing belt cover has me agreeing with you about the seal, but how come so fast? It was fine two days before and then BAM! It sprang a leak this bad and this fast? Idk, I guess I would of imagined it would be progressive is all.<br /> Second, if I just put enough oil in it to drive it to the shop would that cause anymore damage? If I take it to the closest shop it's about 2 miles away on a 50 mph road. Yes, it might leak all over this Happy Valley Hell, but hey I got a shaved head and tattoo's, these people expect it from me;-) <br /> Third and last, I know you charge different from what I'm sure I'll see here, but how much am I looking at if it's the balancing shaft seal or something similar in there? The Grinch hit my house this year, as well as a costly chemotherapy session I'm doing, and the "green" on this Grinch turning red if you catch my drift. Any kind of idea works.<br /> Thanks once again for your service and advice to us all.<br /><br /><br /><br /> Gratefully, <br /><br /> Dustin "Boxer" Teeples Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10666851881353685973noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1405576651020920367.post-3499411050121285672014-12-29T06:26:57.361-08:002014-12-29T06:26:57.361-08:00Dustin, you didn't mention how far you drove w...Dustin, you didn't mention how far you drove with no oil, nor did you mention if you had your Honda repaired. If you've had the timing components and balance shaft seal and retainer replaced, then the only thing you can do is religiously check fluid levels before starting out, and watch your gauges during travel like a hawk.<br /><br />If you've done damage to the engine because of overheat from the radiator hose you had to replace, a coffee colored goop may show on your underside of the oil cap, and your heater will begin acting up. If the cylinder walls are scored because of running it with no oil, then the exhaust smoke would also deposit wet oil droplets too at the tail pipe and have an odor to it.BernardLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09722619048888613647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1405576651020920367.post-80037669863634399052014-12-29T01:01:35.737-08:002014-12-29T01:01:35.737-08:00Bernard,
First off, thank you for bein...Bernard, <br /><br /> First off, thank you for being such a helpful person and willing to tackle random people's issues. If I lived in Cali still I would DEFINITELY use your " small one manned shop " cause it sounds like you know what you are talking about. But , I am unfortunately in Utah freezing my ever loving a$$ off right now.<br /><br />I own a 2002 Honda Accord Ex 4 cylinder Vtec with 230,000 miles on it and know very little of history before 220,000 miles on it. Tonight, after a quick visit to the old ladies house ( please don't mention the old or quickie part to her;-) I started my trusty Accord to make the "long walk of shame " home, to find a huge amount of oil coming from my timing belt cover it looks like. I made it about a mile before the engine light as well as the oil light came on, and I got out to find a ton of oil coming from my timing belt cover. I limped it home through the fleeting cold snow storm cause I had no phone ( it died yesterday ) and it was late so the gas stations were closed and had no choice but to try or be stranded. ( Remember the Donner Party?) Well being the only person to eat if I had to survive in this frozen Hell, I elected to try to get home. No damage to motor as I can tell, but to my know it all manly pride I'm hurting. Please let me know your thoughts on this matter. <br /><br /><br />I did have to change a radiator hose last week, and the idle seems low as well. I also noticed a lot of exhaust in my cabin area during warmup, and this seems sudden since it sat for a few days in the cold. The idle has been low about a week like it's trying to die. Idk if it's related. <br /><br /><br /><br /> <br /><br /> Thanks so much,<br /><br /> Your frozen neighbor,<br /><br /> Dustin Teeples <br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10666851881353685973noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1405576651020920367.post-54295802856567841662014-09-26T14:19:14.107-07:002014-09-26T14:19:14.107-07:00Happy to say, I defeated the bear without the torc...Happy to say, I defeated the bear without the torch!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16886225496062653809noreply@blogger.com